SHED LIMITING BELIEFS and Define Your True Purpose | ft. Jose Caballer

Join us for an emotionally charged episode of The Developing Life Podcast with Heather Crank and visionary Jose Caballer.

This episode goes beyond the basics, delving into the mental aspects of creativity and growth. 

Jose opens up about his journey of self-discovery from Razorfish to The Futur to a Design Catalyst of unlimited potential- highlighting the importance of embracing your inner power and worth.

This episode is a call to action for anyone feeling lost or overwhelmed, offering insights on starting your own movement and making meaningful changes. 

Connect with Jose

• Website: https://www.josecaballer.com/
• Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josecaballer/
• Futur Profile: https://thefutur.com/people/jose-caballer

Explore Resources Mentioned in this episode

• Free Agent Nation by Daniel Pink: https://www.danpink.com/books/free-agent-nation/
• CORE Framework: https://thefutur.com/course/core

Transcript

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welcome to episode 19 of the Developing Life podcast. As the digital and design evolution continues to expand, the roles and impacts of creatives are being redefined at an alarming rate, sparking a crisis of meaning amidst a declining relevance of our current systems and this new era where traditional boundaries are increasingly blurred, how can we regain our clarity and reclaim our purpose?

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Today we are joined by design chef educator and transformative force for good, Jose Carballo. Jose began his journey at the Art Center College of Design and moved swiftly into the digital realm, leading innovative projects at the razor fish during the.com era before founding his ventures like the group in 2001, which quickly climbed into the ranks of the Inc. 500 fastest growing companies.

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In 2012, Jose founded the school, an educational platform that later evolved into the future, with Cristo focusing on the business of design to empower creatives around the world. Jose's career is marked by continuous exploration of how design can reshape ordinary elements into extraordinary outcomes, and through his work, Jose is dedicated to elevating the creative process, bridging diverse fields, and creating opportunities in the evolving digital landscape of our everyday lives.

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Joined by our host Heather crank, Jose will share insights on navigating the current transitions of the creative industry, from the integration of AI to the shifts in ownership and reality perceptions, uncovering paths for creatives to purposely move forward without limits. Thank you so much to welcome everybody. Welcome, Jose. It's so nice to have you here. And you're bring in the chaos.

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Unknown
I'm ready to dig in. would you please take a moment and just introduce yourself? I know, to just kind of covered it in a nutshell, but you just kind of let people know who you are. I'm Jose Abraham. It's my middle name. Right here is my last name Perez. If you're Latino, you have to use all of your names.

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Unknown
I guess that's the next one. So I'll say I am quite a bit as I call stack. It's my full lineage. my great grandfather actually was a black man and, landowner in the Dominican Republic. My grandfather on my father's side, was an accountant. And a man about town. and the reason I'm telling that story, or I'm putting that into my heritage, is that the myths of being half Dominican and half Puerto Rican has a lot of implications and the whole story.

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Unknown
But I became a graphic designer. my father was a seventh day Adventist pastor. when I was born, and my mother was a biologist. I ended up becoming a designer. So now, if you see what I do for a living, which is mixing, you know, the creation of systems and ideas, for us as creative people, philosophy, so to speak.

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Unknown
and experimenting with a lot of it, because user experience is the foundation of me, who I am, as a designer, it makes sense because of my heritage, my parents, etc. so all those accolades and like those things aside, my continuous drive has been how do we push ourselves further to having bigger roles and culture and society?

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Unknown
That's that drive is like it's it's everything I do is for that. How do we elevate ourselves as designers to take a bigger role in society? Oh, I love that. And it's so complex and interesting because I imagine having to do that, you're having to hold very different feelings at the same time and still maintain your balance and move through the world.

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Unknown
I would I would love to hear your thoughts about how do you hold complex feelings that are contradictory to each other?

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Unknown
that's a good question right off the bat. All right, let's get deep. Let's go, let's go. Bring it on. Chaos. I the a healer. friend and person in, in a in a setting of community building. Had this thing wherever I would come forward or anybody would come forward with a certain statement. And like this absolutism, she would always say or not even after she said something she would say or, you know, so there was always this like, this or that, this or that, you know, yin yang, the two sides of a, you know, what are the, the side of what is the sound of one hand clapping, right?

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Unknown
You know, it's like there's two sides always to it. I like that in India. There's just like, you don't know whether it's yes or no. It's kind of like. But you know, the the Indian not is pretty much or not. So, so for me I what I've learned now and that it's for me personally that if you think about it from a,

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Unknown
Design, it's a very like, technical and like, righteous kind of thing. It's almost like engineering. Right? You have to do it this way. the reality is that that's not true, right? There's many ways to do it. And that's the same way of life. Right? The reality is that you can live in many ways, and it's really what makes it works for you.

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Unknown
Right? Every system, it's really about what works for your self and for your inner child. So learning to create personal, personal philosophy for you to live by and how you respond to the world instead of the industrialized version, which is you want to be set of labels or whatever is true self-expression, right? Is what we're looking for, and mastery is what it says on my LinkedIn.

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Unknown
You know, creatives to step in to their full power. and that's really about self-knowledge and about individuality in yourself to where you are now separating from the rest, but connecting to each other by knowing who you are. Right? So it's like a hat trick and I yeah, I'll tell you a deep secret. Like I kind of. I bet when when I left the school, to travel and to learn, it was really for myself.

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Unknown
It was for me to hear, for me to learn these things. But the conspiracy was, is that, you know, I, I left Chris the community or that's how we divided it. And I took core. He said it was like, because that's what was making money. No, I wanted to experiment with core beyond brands, beyond doing it for corporate, because core in itself, you know, there's much better brand strategy frameworks, you know, and Lee is a good example of that.

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Unknown
But core is really not a brand strategy framework. I never was it's actually a world been, world building engine. It's just the, the three most fundamental things, which is who you are, attributes, who the people around you are, your co-creators and the goals that you have together. It's about harmony, right. It's about creating permanent and you know, it's like aligned that.

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Unknown
So when I started experimenting throughout my health journey, I was using it on myself to produce this fabulousness. Right. so that's a, that's really the secret. So and so that this could happen. Co-creation is possible on my Instagram. I've been building Burning Man camps for nine years. What the fuck do you think we're doing out there. Right.

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Unknown
I'm not doing it out here. And people are like what's going on. So okay so I just want to back up for a second for those people who don't know what the school is. that's something you started with Christo and then eventually it became the future. and this was after your career razor fish. Right?

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Unknown
Yes, yes. after five years, I razor fish, ten years running my own agency. I said, screw it. I don't want to be in the service work world. I'm going to start my own startup. So how did you meet Chris before the school? Like, how did that even happen? first of all, we went to Art Center College of Design together in Pasadena, and, we were both lab asses, lab assistance.

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Unknown
That's what they were called. Lab ass. and, so we decided other, you know, when we were changing shifts. So we knew of each other. And he was pretty prolific already in school. He was already doing professional work. he got me my first job, like, I graduated on Saturday. And, yes, I was super obnoxious. I was actually a graduation speaker.

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Unknown
And my my talk was me arguing with me on a monitor like this. Live performance. Oh my God, are you sure it was going to be digital or analog? And and no, I don't know. I think it's still analog. so he got me a job working at a motion graphics place, like right after called Nova Nola.com. I think right after, like, Sunday, I started working there.

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Unknown
I graduated Saturday, Sunday I was on a job freelancing. Right? And oh my God, did I hate that job. They had a lot of ice cream and a lot of, a lot of, but I didn't want to be making, like, you know, boards for, like, Sunday Night Football. I get, whatever, you know, that's not my jam.

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Unknown
So I immediately like left and went to New York. And that's how I got to work at Razor Fish. Wow. Okay, so you worked at Razor Fish, and then you left and you went to. So can you one more time, break down the trajectory. So? So I went to New York. I ended up running into Thomas Miller at a party at the Cooper Hewitt.

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Unknown
Right. I knew I wanted to work there, and I knew I was going to end up working there no matter what. But they they they hired some other guys for my class at Art center, and that's fine. I waited patiently, and, Thomas asked me if I wanted to come work there and, like, sure, problem at the party and then whatever.

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Unknown
I did a few more interviews, I stayed, I quit right away. I quit, like, after eight months. Like, I have a tenuous, like, it's my astrology. I have it and all my relationships work. But otherwise I'm in, I'm out, I'm in, I'm out, I don't know, am I going to commit to this? so so then I stayed there.

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Unknown
I ended up staying for five years. Very transformational. My experience there, that's another story for another time. But I always focused on culture and, like, making the work environment better and funnier and more connected. No matter what. that was always my jam. So when I. the.com boom ended in 2001, they recalled me back to L.A. like I wasn't even.

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Unknown
I had moved to L.A. because they moved me there. Oh, here. Now. and so I was going back and forth between L.A. and New York. I decided to, to stay in L.A. because I knew I wanted to start my own thing. I didn't know yet what, and I did, so I stayed here. they gave me a severance package, and I spent three months in my in my PJs, you know, figuring out a business plan or a business model during that research.

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Unknown
Like, I wanted to do a collective for the group, like, but it was too early. It was inspired by by a, free agent nation, which was by Daniel Pink. but the books that really influenced me, Free Agent Nation, Daniel Pink, A Whole New mind, white right brainers will own the future. I was like, wait a minute.

00:12:00:20 - 00:12:21:16
Unknown
If we're going to own the future, what does that mean? And he also was inclusive. He said, healers, feelers, big picture thinkers will inherit the future. So there's a big role there for the feminine. And there's a big role there for the crazy people. Right. So that book I she's very influenced the school. I said, somebody's got to teach him the business of this shit, because otherwise how are we going to do it right?

00:12:21:16 - 00:12:40:22
Unknown
And honestly, when, when I did it for three years and I'm really loud, really obnoxious, I can make a I did a show for two years straight Chris side because I mentioned him and I added him. I was just basically doing my thing. and he asked me out for lunch and he's like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?

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Unknown
Like, literally he's like, what the f are you doing? Seriously? I explained it to him. I said, look, I read this book Four Hour Workweek, and it talks about building your, you know, your own personal brand and brand. Like, I'm the crazy kid that's like, hey, look, this is what's happening. If I get a cartoon of me, I would be like, I walk into whatever situation with the like, oh, hey, by the way, here's what's happening.

00:13:02:19 - 00:13:20:22
Unknown
What's really happening? very funny. And he's like, okay, he's a Capricorn. He's very doubtful. So. So I've said, but let me just hang out, let's hang out. And I became the resident entrepreneur at Blind, you know. And I saw him every day. I'm going out to build Burning Man camps. He's figuring out what his agency is doing.

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Unknown
And I'm like, hey, let's do a show. And he's setting up at the same time. He's setting up the studio like it's basically an improv show with two, like, you know, creative people, like two creative dads going like, okay, what's next? Now talking that much, we're just doing whatever is next. So he picked made the said he would ask me questions, what do we need next?

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Unknown
It's like basically like building a Burning Man camp. And that first episode of the School Life was he was like, what are we going to talk about what's happening right now? And that's the first episode is literally what was happening right now. and as that evolved, it became clear that it was going to be challenging to build it together.

00:14:00:18 - 00:14:19:21
Unknown
He had a point of view, and it wasn't really the conflict. It were less conflict than not. It was more like, oh, this is the vision that you have. My vision was to build a software platform. Like what teachable is. That was my vision. I'm like, that's where the money is in being a middle man, but he's a content guy.

00:14:19:21 - 00:14:43:04
Unknown
So he knew. He's like, wait, what are you talking about? Let's create content and YouTube channel and you know, that's really it. So there's no truth in either or. It's part of the same, you know, what's the sound of one hand clapping? So I said, okay. And we divided it up and I took the Bible and he kept the church, and I, and I knew that he would be a way better certain age and add to the community and give them the discipline and teach them.

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Unknown
And I went to explore all the woo in the world. And I'm like, okay, what really makes somebody successful, you know? And here I am. And this I'm going to tell you right now, they're there's no answers. But God. Next question Mark. Oh okay. Well so he talks a lot about your relationship, Christos, and how you really encouraged him, to step out in front of people.

00:15:07:12 - 00:15:35:00
Unknown
He's super introverted. He's like me, and he credits you with a lot of his success, which I think is really beautiful. And I know you guys have a very nice relationship. so what what instinct in you drove you to encourage Chris to do that? To go public? Or was it his idea the whole time? And you just encouraged him to get in front of the camera?

00:15:35:02 - 00:16:03:15
Unknown
He wanted to do online education. Right. And, I had just met with Linda Wineman and toured all of Lynda.com, and she had given me some interesting insights. You know, that one of the most successful courses were the courses where the teachers were already famous. interesting. So that it was very difficult to, get a course for someone who wasn't doing their own lifting on their personal reach, like writing a book or doing that somebody interesting.

00:16:03:17 - 00:16:23:12
Unknown
So if they wanted to start, you know, online, an online school, we wanted to do that. We both needed to, like, be well known. And, and I wasn't writing a book. He did it pretty quickly. Yeah. He's. The man's a machine. and if anybody thinks about competing with Chris, just don't do it like the dude. It's just like that.

00:16:23:14 - 00:16:41:24
Unknown
To where? To me, it's kind of painful. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's a little about there? Let's go. but then I'm crazy, too. And I do have my own way, right? So we all develop our own styles, but the question you're asking is like, what did I see? Yes. Look, I see it in you. I said it actually a in a very inappropriate comment.

00:16:41:24 - 00:16:57:00
Unknown
And threads. It's like, you know, my crush on Heather prank is that she's fucking, like, amazing. Like, right, like just a little bit that I, that I, that I, I see it in everyone. That's what I see it. And by the way, Chris sees it too. He sees the real you. And that's an art, right? Being able to see it.

00:16:57:00 - 00:17:15:12
Unknown
So when he said producing our content, oh, you're the spiritual guy. Like, first of all, I was offended by that because I didn't want to accept it. You're the guy who goes to Burning Man. That's yoga. And I'm like, screw you, buddy. but he saw it. So then me being a tourist. Okay, I gotta go prove this.

00:17:15:13 - 00:17:37:16
Unknown
Is that true? And the reality is that there's the esthetics of the spiritual guy with the man button that lives in Mexico. But then there's the reality of, are you really living? You know, what you preach or like it's it's all about practice. It's not about the esthetics. So I wanted to make sure that it was congruent on the content that I was actually that person.

00:17:37:18 - 00:18:01:06
Unknown
So it so this other secret is that this six, seven year journey has been to Chris as a director. Like, well, okay, let me go become that character because he he believed in like playing the role. Fake it til you make it. And I said, no, I can't do it unless I'm really bad, which is stupid because it's, it's either one or the other, right?

00:18:01:12 - 00:18:22:06
Unknown
It's one half of that, you know. it's like the NBA not are you the person are you playing the person who knows. True. That's a really good place to. And you're doing it. So you're doing it. This is it. This is what you're doing right now. You just get on and you do it right. Yeah. Everything else will come from that.

00:18:22:08 - 00:18:54:15
Unknown
Two introverted extrovert. well, I have thoughts about that. But let's move on. So speaking of, interacting on on threads, I, we kind of stumbled across each other, I saw you with Anna Lee, and, we connected. We did, LinkedIn, not LinkedIn, Instagram live. and you spoke about human design a lot. And I know that's something you've been really passionate about.

00:18:54:17 - 00:19:22:02
Unknown
And I'm going to quote you here, so get ready. you were talking about the crisis of meaning and design, and you said, quote, to make a living, we lend our talents, skills and time to companies and brands. Some nonprofits, most are driven by growth and expansion. Some have good cultures, some don't. Over time, we lose our own sense of wonder, curiosity and meaning.

00:19:22:04 - 00:19:56:19
Unknown
That thing, the spark that makes us become creatives and we fall into a crisis of meeting. I would love to hear how you personally are navigating that in your career. Look, Linda, or listen and, we are all powerful creators here. Milk. and, Ali, you you're an every single person on this call. Whatever age. True and and for me, it's been about a continuous reinvention.

00:19:56:21 - 00:20:21:11
Unknown
And I'm just basically modeling Madonna, where she just reinvented herself every ten years, and then what I discovered, like, early on was that, oh, that coming era, we're not just a designer. There's a political aspect of I didn't want to be a risk, right. I wanted to be more a leader, as a creative. Then there's the oh, let's get it on YouTube.

00:20:21:11 - 00:20:42:04
Unknown
But now you're actually a personality, right? So now your talent, but also you have to produce content and like, there's now you're playing this big spectrum of roles. It's really pushing and expanding our, our, our our reality of who we think we are meant to be. So then we really struggle with coming out as our full self.

00:20:42:04 - 00:21:06:11
Unknown
We struggle being authentic. We struggle being connected to our little person all the time. And that and I'm like, oh, so we need a new type of like producer director type person for this new era, right? So I, I, in the nature of the evolution of this whole thing, have become that I'm a coming out advisor like, you know, what is your exact, you know, philosophy?

00:21:06:11 - 00:21:27:19
Unknown
What is your core, what is, you know, what's your co-creators look like? You know, and in this reinvention, that's happening as we speak, it's actually not a reinvention. Is me actually coming out authentically by saying, reflecting, what have I been doing? Let me see. I showed up to does crystals office and oh, and I help them get on stage and come out okay.

00:21:27:19 - 00:21:43:11
Unknown
Great. He was an introvert. Now he's huge. I knew that would happen. I knew he was going to be huge and I knew he would spread core all over the world. So now wherever I show up, you know, Mexico, what are the heck? I show up. People are negotiating with those templates, you know, that were really people are using that group.

00:21:43:13 - 00:22:05:23
Unknown
Therefore Razer Fishers, the the group it was his child, the razor fish. the school was the child of the group. Chris didn't know what I'm, you know, didn't use the same tools because he was a motion guy. So I gave the tools to digital like you know but he, he credits me shows that what the tools were to to the creative world so that we can have better careers.

00:22:06:04 - 00:22:30:08
Unknown
But the real agenda was actually this was let's be founders. it wasn't so that we can get better jobs, but the jobs are going to go away. They're already going away. Now we need to start our own things. So now the work is confidence, self-esteem, authenticity. Now it's the coaching that I'm getting from an investor to really be able to get it.

00:22:30:08 - 00:22:52:00
Unknown
It's like because it's just it's always a look back. It's always back to the future. You go to the future and you come back and you and you say what you saw. So the end, it writes the future. That's why futurists and writers and authors do what they do, because they are seeing what's coming and what they want to write, and they put it out into the zeitgeist.

00:22:52:05 - 00:23:11:04
Unknown
Media is ultimately a future writing machine, and you can write the narrative of division, of conflict, of anxiety, which is what the news does. And they only do that because that's what makes money. People are love to sit there and go like, oh my God, the world is ending. But the truth is that if you look below the surface threads, it's a good place.

00:23:11:06 - 00:23:35:05
Unknown
The world is not ending. We're rebuilding the end of the world, right? And that's the goal. And the purpose of us as designers, being fully empowered is so that we can rebuild the world from the business model, from the At, for the from the inside, from who we are out. Right. So when you go to this system right now, we have a breathwork workshop in partnership with Inner Design.

00:23:35:07 - 00:24:08:19
Unknown
Because your internal state determines your external state. What I said earlier to true, which I saw in threads and you saw it to a black woman saying that generational wealth is really a byproduct of children being able to emotionally regulate. Right. That parents teaching them that. Yeah. And now here we are in our middle age, afraid to be our full, fully self or afraid to, like, just be public with our shit or be like making everything into a mess because I'm so fearful of asking for what I need or being like, real with my little boy, right?

00:24:08:21 - 00:24:29:01
Unknown
And because I didn't have that as a child, right. So the healing is the foundation. It's one of my first Instagram posts in this thread. The foundation for designers is healing. Period. Okay, so that's it. Oh, so how do you design? How did you find the time? I love that incomplete. How does human design relate to all of this?

00:24:29:03 - 00:24:55:13
Unknown
Level one is self-knowledge. So if I know myself really well, I won't judge or label based on the system. So like if I go by what a psychiatrist told me at 24, I'm fucking like ADHD, bipolar, I'm fucking that crazy bitch according to that, right? But if I actually look at my human design being a manifesting generator, having these gates, my, my, my cross witch, whatever that means.

00:24:55:15 - 00:25:12:04
Unknown
I don't judge any of that. By the way. I am so not judge. I'm like this. That interesting. I want to check it out. What does it mean? But, but but for the sign of the sign that event is faster. Oh my God. Like there's so much judgment to the woo and yo guys. Well, yoga is the portal to Satan, just to be clear.

00:25:12:09 - 00:25:42:03
Unknown
Oh man that I read that. Wow. In places. I'll start chant sets that start chanting, and you're going to hell. but the, the, the point is to be focused and clear that my cross is the cross of contagion, which is I'm here to spread, message. So instead of me judging myself for not being Cristo for not being able to produce the same level from happiness, I'm like, not.

00:25:42:05 - 00:26:02:08
Unknown
I'm just here to be loud and obnoxious and spread spreads. Whoever listens, invite me on your podcast. I'm going to tell you the truth. Here's what's happening. That's it. Be comfortable with who you are. So that's the foundation of it. And to listen to Crystal in my head and say to to promote my, my core coaching program, which helps you come out, it's the first thing we do.

00:26:02:09 - 00:26:18:11
Unknown
We do your human design, we do your veto, and we go like, oh, look, this is who you are. Be loud, be proud and then fucking worry about it. Oh I love it. That's it. That's the reason I'm using human design. I don't have a do anything. I don't want to manipulate anything. I just want you to be happy and comfortable with who you are.

00:26:18:13 - 00:26:39:24
Unknown
So if you're not familiar with human design, we'll make sure that we include a link with this podcast so you can check it out. It's a complex system using lots of different variables to kind of get a sense of who you are, your purpose, your mission, your internal, your external. it's it requires a lot of deep study.

00:26:40:01 - 00:26:57:10
Unknown
I'd also love for you to let people know where they can find your classes while we're here. Yeah. The system echo, and the system doesn't have an E, and yeah, that's a question that I'm not answering right this moment. Why doesn't the system have an E or the future have an E or. Yeah, one of those things. Yeah.

00:26:57:10 - 00:27:20:08
Unknown
What's going on then? What's wrong with the E. Interesting. Just falls off of everything. Okay, so you've talked about how our systems are no longer serving us right now. what do you think is next? We were kind of touching on that a minute ago. With the crisis that's happening in design, and a lot of people are shifting careers.

00:27:20:08 - 00:27:49:12
Unknown
A lot of people are out of work. stability. There's not that stability there once was. In creative careers, everything is changing. So if these systems are not serving as some falling, what's next? So let's just get this super straight. We are the system. There are no systems like we we we we look at like, you know, school, government and all these things, institutions that made the 20th century, possible.

00:27:49:12 - 00:28:13:11
Unknown
And we're like, oh man, fuck that. You know, Chris used to, get really pissed because I would say you're said 20th century. And he got really annoyed. Oh, he's totally Chris, I know you're you'll you'll watch this. You're totally 21st century now. So you made it. God, I'm such an asshole. It's so true. so so so.

00:28:13:11 - 00:28:34:10
Unknown
But the point is that we trust the systems, right? But we realize that we are a together community. This is that right here. This is the system. Right? And the security part. Are we really going to starve to death? People, come on. In America, at the end of capitalism, you have friends making actions. Be close to each other.

00:28:34:12 - 00:28:55:09
Unknown
You know, sleep on your ex-wife's couch when you're in L.A. You know, and you know, I my biggest fear is becoming a dirty burner. But Burning Man and what it teaches us that the community component is really important. There's the esthetics of it, there's falling into it. But that's a different thing that real good things from it are that we can actually.

00:28:55:11 - 00:29:22:05
Unknown
Does everybody need a car? Does everybody need a four bedroom house in Orange County with a huge yard? Doesn't know collectivism, and living in community is where we come from. We bought into this whole thing because advertising agencies in New York, you know, fueled by drunk Irishman, would be selling you like, you know, like houses and a track home to support a business model that some assholes in a boardroom just came up with.

00:29:22:07 - 00:29:47:20
Unknown
Hey, what if we give credit to poor people so that they can buy homes? It's all the business model that drives us insane, right? So? So the humanity and we as Americans right now, but now it's global citizens because everyone is actually in the game now. Like we can look at it. And my trip to Latin America for the last two years, I'm like seeing Latin America become the US.

00:29:47:20 - 00:30:08:03
Unknown
And I'm like, interesting. Please, let's not do this. Designers, you're responsible. And this is this is that conspiracy. Now, you know, financial models now, you know, or now you know how to create brands. Now, you know, the, the business of design. But now let's switch it. And now let's become founders and let's start companies that are sustainable.

00:30:08:08 - 00:30:34:06
Unknown
Let's start companies that are regenerative. Let's actually own the production and you know, the means, to create what? Because the world is simply a combination of, you know, food, shelter, you know, the basic stuff. And Maslow is the majority of the businesses, right? Transportation. Do we really need cars? Maybe not. We need transportation. do we?

00:30:34:08 - 00:30:57:08
Unknown
There's all these things that can be rethought, but the only way to rethink it is if the new generation of entrepreneurs is creating the world, are on board with the agenda. Right. And the agenda, it's not just the survival of humankind. Fine. That's great agenda. It's actually the survival of our individual souls. You know, us being in harmony with each other and with nature and with life.

00:30:57:10 - 00:31:16:08
Unknown
It's another life, right? But what do you work hard for here in America? You you commute for five hours, so you have a great life, but then you lose your great life because you've been working your whole life, right? So what is broken? That's that's the the the I don't know what question I was answering, but that's kind of.

00:31:16:10 - 00:32:07:01
Unknown
Okay. So we were talking about our systems being broken. our creative industry as we've been talking about is really, struggling, right now. And the idea of ownership, the idea of reality are specifically being, questioned. I would love to hear you talk about the rapid pace that things are evolving, the different types of focus and reality and ownership as areas that are going to transform into something to do what you're feeling that, I love the fact that you're doing it and other people that are doing it and I this I background is my friend Rubina, with whom I am producing, breath work.

00:32:07:03 - 00:32:32:07
Unknown
and so there's two answers to that. One, get get your shit together with meditation and breath work. And listen, I'm a Taurus. It's super functional. It's just so that I can survive unmedicated. The journey. I'm doing it to survive and to be in tune. And of course, with my coach working on my inner child. Like, you got to be like, you know, it's like the the Jamaican bobsled team.

00:32:32:07 - 00:32:52:08
Unknown
You know, the bobsled has to be very, very like, how do you call it aerodynamic. Right. And we have so many barnacles and belief systems and like, I call barnacles like limiting beliefs. Right. You have a traumatic event which creates a limiting belief. Somebody rejected me in high school, so now I think I'm not worthy of love.

00:32:52:13 - 00:33:12:21
Unknown
Somebody, was an asshole to me at a job and screamed at me. That means. Is there something wrong with me? No, they were just assholes. Just to be clear, there was nothing wrong with you. But the barnacle is. There's something wrong with me. I'm too loud. You know I am too obnoxious. I'm a woman in Sweden. I should actually be very quiet and be in the band.

00:33:12:23 - 00:33:36:07
Unknown
Those are all the barnacles that we need to take off us. And you know, the way that that I've been doing it in my own practice has been by a facing at full frontal, feeling and community, which, if you look at the thing I wrote in LinkedIn about this, about to answering these questions, one of my I'm a user and the journey and one of the needs is healing and community.

00:33:36:13 - 00:33:57:13
Unknown
So I'm basically as a healer, I'm sharing it. Right. But also the friction within the community is part of the healing. so like these stories that that are happening are occurring, the fights, the breakdowns. I just had a breakdown in my own community, the other night, because I might have had a little bit too much wine.

00:33:57:13 - 00:34:20:01
Unknown
So I need to check drinking. but but that breakdown is actually the resolution of it. Of the breakdown is the healing, right? For myself and for that other person. And I learned that. I've learned. I learned not at Burning Man. I learned it like, you know, like having these, like, big, like, break ups and breakdowns. I'm the middle of the fire because it was hot and it was difficult to deal with the shit.

00:34:20:03 - 00:34:52:02
Unknown
But then, like talking it out and the container of unconditional love and forgiveness and like, look, we're human. So compassion, all those things. But, the reason why I'm sharing all of this was go back to your question. So my question is about the idea of reality. Ownership is shifting right now. and a lot of the creative community, is kind of in this weird space and technology is moving super fast.

00:34:52:07 - 00:35:12:19
Unknown
So my question was, oh, are you breathwork? How am I dealing with it? So we we we need to take care of ourselves first. Like, our physical and like, emotional needs. Because as creatives, you know, the, our job depends on our creativity. But then, like I said at the beginning, or like you said at the beginning, we get into these jobs and it loses meaning and then we go into a crisis.

00:35:12:21 - 00:35:40:10
Unknown
What made us happy wasn't like the paycheck for moving pixels around. What made us happy was that we're doing creative shit for a living. That's really awesome. So now you need to. Now I need to commit to doing real creative stuff for a living without the employer. Right? So that's a challenge because now there's the fear of like, so we're all becoming creators and it doesn't care.

00:35:40:12 - 00:36:07:06
Unknown
It doesn't matter what you sell or that transaction. What matters is that you provide value and that you provide like, you know, some sort of like, you know, let's put it this way. Futurist Alvin Toffler talks about in his book feature shock, written in the 70s. There have been multiple, versions of it after that in the future, personal development and transformation was going to be the main business, right.

00:36:07:07 - 00:36:40:01
Unknown
And then, Daniel Pink talks about it in a whole new mind, then Affluence Automation Asia, it's going to make creativity a bigger value. These guys are future as they're writing what's happening because they're seeing the signals. Right? Right. So then America during its peak capitalism, suddenly we're all creatives. There's this huge boom in design because companies want to extract value, but then they need to take back their they need to take back their, the they need to extract the value.

00:36:40:06 - 00:37:03:14
Unknown
So they, they, they dump employees. And then now we're on the street going like, oh shit. Yeah. Where the like what do I do. Yeah, yeah. So now, so now because of that. But we're not starving. Like we still have some savings. There are people who are really struggling communities. The number one answer community. So number one answer sharing new business models donation get your Patreon going and get your Instagram going.

00:37:03:15 - 00:37:24:16
Unknown
Tell your real story. Come out, come out, come out, come out, come out. Don't like be in this enough authentic space of like, you know. Oh, I'm struggling in silence. No. Say what you need. Like, don't be like me. Like a little kid. Like I'm not Google. I don't know what I need that has marked my career so much where I just don't say what I need.

00:37:24:16 - 00:37:44:17
Unknown
As the little boy that, you know, got abandoned by his mother because she died and his father. I don't know where the fuck you went, but right then, I don't advocate for myself. Right? I become this obnoxious. Like the sky is falling. The sky is falling. Yeah. Person. Yeah. And I come across that way. But that's just really the little boy trying to get attention to survive.

00:37:44:17 - 00:38:02:15
Unknown
Right? So we're all that little boy, that little girl in creative now. And it's all fucking going to shit. But there's a group of people and they're gathered right here, right now who are simply, somewhat calmly just sharing their stories and doing podcasts and doing these things. And we need to crystal that shit and monetize it here and there.

00:38:02:20 - 00:38:22:10
Unknown
We might judge Chris for being like that. Know that you judge Chris for like trying to figure out the business model, trying to figure out every angle the minute we judge that. You're welcome. That judgment is exactly what you need right. That is what you need right. Like monetize the that's the business model. Get $15 from every person around you.

00:38:22:15 - 00:38:41:08
Unknown
And now you have a new job except right. You have to be obnoxious on stage and you're an introvert. you know, that's a catch 22. So I'm here to help you be obnoxious so that you can make it happen in the future. As a creator, because there's nothing else to do. There's nothing else to do. We don't want industrial production.

00:38:41:13 - 00:39:01:06
Unknown
We don't want to produce more shit. Like if we're going to survive as a species, we all need to get on these big multiple zooms and and TikTok, and we all need to be cam girls basically, you know, for Christ's cam girls for Christ. That's going to be no fake God. Oh, no. Okay okay. Horrible. That's horrible. Okay.

00:39:01:06 - 00:39:29:00
Unknown
So okay, I have many, many thoughts going on. Let me try and distill this down. So my first thought is asking for what you need. That is a really difficult thing. at least for me personally. And I'm going to guess for other people listening to this, and being vulnerable, being open and being seen have also been areas of struggle, with myself and, and people around me.

00:39:29:02 - 00:39:58:10
Unknown
What advice would you give people who struggle in those areas as a first step that they could take to learn to be more comfortable with being seen and being vulnerable and asking for what they need? Yeah, this this goes really well into the role of women and people of color and queer people at work and in general. Like we feel like the sense of, you know, it's not safe to kind of ask, yes, for what we want or for what we need.

00:39:58:12 - 00:40:24:16
Unknown
yes. and so for me, like, since I'm a designer and I do all the things in the context of my, my core co-creators, like just publishing that today on LinkedIn, I look at what I actually said I need, which was like media, media production, which is a very tactical thing, healing and community. Right? Healing and community.

00:40:24:16 - 00:41:01:24
Unknown
And then love and affection. Well, yeah, I put I put three things media healing and love and affection. It's very mean. It's very the little boy. Oh, and then book publishing it. That's the first time I actually publish that. So it's been in hiding for like, you know, since I did it in 2019. Then now in the, in the, my core coaching the first the at the end of putting together the exercises, you have to present it to your spouse, your partner, your friends, your business partners, that plus people around you.

00:41:01:24 - 00:41:19:10
Unknown
And you are a profile in there and you're saying, this is what I need now because it's already in writing and you did it in a private setting. It's okay. but I think that everyone should do a customer, a user profile of themselves, just like we do it for user experience and publish it and put what they really need.

00:41:19:12 - 00:41:41:23
Unknown
I need help with my financial modeling. I need help doing budgeting. And you know, my special gifts are my superpower. Is this right? Your superpower as an Aquarius is going to be having this deep, philosophical, introspective, retrospective conversation. Because that's your love language. Your love. My you're just words right. This is your money and you are and we're doing it so.

00:41:41:23 - 00:42:10:03
Unknown
So yeah. You asking for what you need from the universe without having to like do it like with your words can be as simple as you have a profile of yourself that actually says it and you're like, look, it's actually saying the truth of what I need, and it's public. But then you put it out to the internet and, and the minute I got to that point where through my coach, like I just started writing the truth in my emails, people just started responding to me like, oh my God, it's been a long time.

00:42:10:03 - 00:42:28:14
Unknown
How are you doing, brother? Wow. Versus masking. So like, you know, people of color are people, but like specifically creative people, specifically people of color, right? You looking good. You want to look good. You don't want you don't want to show that you're struggling. You want to say that you need something. Right? But but have you seen people who ask for the shit they need?

00:42:28:14 - 00:42:54:13
Unknown
They get it. That's true. That's a really good point. I mean, I've been in the in the conference rooms with, you know, like, bro, just fucking ask for what you want. And then it comes across as like, like really aggressive and like, you know, like, no, if you don't ask, you know, you don't get it. So that's the, that's really that threshold of comfort that we need to get across.

00:42:54:17 - 00:43:17:00
Unknown
And, and it is about worthiness. Right. And it is. Yes. But a lot of it is just conditioning. We've been conditioned as women. We've been conditioned as people of color. We've been can not to ask like that. It's bad right. But it's but guess who who programed us with that shit. Yes, it's a keyword. The. Yeah, I'm not going to say it out loud because I don't want this to get shut down, but but

00:43:17:02 - 00:43:40:05
Unknown
Oh, it's not going to shut us down. yeah, I, I agree with you. I agree some aspects of the patriarchy a little difficult and I'm going to be really clear here. I do not mean men when I say patriarchy. I'm being very specific about a system of, thought and domination that has kind of been part of our society for a long time.

00:43:40:05 - 00:44:04:10
Unknown
Benefits just a couple in a lot of people do not benefit from the system. So I must leave it there. Okay. So, I have a couple more questions for you, and then I see some questions here in the chat and I'm going to open it up. If you have questions while I'm going through these, next two inquiries for Jose, please drop them in the chat.

00:44:04:12 - 00:44:22:24
Unknown
So Jose, what are you working on right now? What is your thing that you are just about to put out into the world? That's such a good question. I even took notes. And since you sent the questions ahead of time,

00:44:23:01 - 00:45:02:07
Unknown
The the my core coaching program is really me putting out my journey as a program. and I've struggled a lot with figuring out, like, what do I do? Do I do an inversion of core? Do I do, you know, core for I there's all these conversations within my inner circle. and then I'm like, tuning into it and I'm like, I want to tell my journey and then the, the ability to do that in a program, right, with people that are trying to build their, their, persona, their superpowers, their, their, you know, and come out right.

00:45:02:07 - 00:45:23:18
Unknown
And like, you know, be powerful as creators. what better way to do that than, like, to actually share my journey in the context of coaching? So personalizing, you know that that that modules for them. And there's three modules, you know, and I have them tattooed, you know, the first one is really defining your purpose, defining your purpose, defining yourself.

00:45:23:20 - 00:45:48:12
Unknown
The second one is really beginning to align that definition within the world and people around you. Right. And then the third is actually doing it. So so the third module which, which will be in a bit in a few months, it's really the collective, the collective group, things that make up the system. Because at the beginning it's just the individual, just you.

00:45:48:14 - 00:46:09:13
Unknown
Right. Starting with human design and the feito to really understand yourself. Then the second part being like, okay, who am I? Right? What is my essence? What are my superpowers? That's you telling your story. how often do we do our hero's journey? We don't sit there and write our whole story. Unless you're invited on a podcast and you're forced to tell it.

00:46:09:15 - 00:46:27:21
Unknown
But everybody should do their story because they're going to be on a podcast soon. Because everything is a podcast. Life is a podcast, too. That's what's happening now, right? Right. So you have to tell your story and be comfortable telling it over and over and over again. And then in the second, module of of it in the alignment is actually coming out.

00:46:27:21 - 00:46:47:09
Unknown
So like one of the, the people amazing, very, very powerful people creators who is in the program wants to be able to go to parties and, and community, you know, with nonprofits and, and yachts and all these things and say more than like, oh, I want to sell a website. You know, you need a website. Like, that's a great conversation.

00:46:47:15 - 00:47:11:11
Unknown
So what I realized from my session with him, sessions with them, is that what I've been doing for these last nine years is the success I was. I was basically taking my relationship with Chris, the ability to, go now and travel, go now and do projects like ConsenSys, go now, do ayahuasca with, you know, billionaires, and all these people.

00:47:11:11 - 00:47:35:12
Unknown
I was understanding and learning what it, what it takes on the other side. Right. And this person that is in the coaching program wants that. He's like, I want to be more like you, right? And I'm like, oh, that's right. Like when I was 29, 39. Like I was just like, okay, I make websites, you know, like I'm, I'm good, I'm good at it.

00:47:35:12 - 00:47:55:08
Unknown
But I don't have any other stories other than, like, I make websites, right? So, so really the beyond the tactical it comes the, the personal and the narrative and the ability to connect. You know, it's the dude with the white beard, you know, the most interesting man in the world. For those guys like to become that guy. You actually have to do those journeys.

00:47:55:13 - 00:48:17:05
Unknown
Or you can really get to know yourself and know that you're already that guy. You just have to know how to tell your story. So that's really what I'm what I'm really ultimately doing. And I have been doing it now for ten years. Every single at my apartment, my loft in Brooklyn. How to stage the Burning Man camp had a stage, and I would bring people on stage and we would do comedy.

00:48:17:05 - 00:48:42:02
Unknown
We would do all the things, you know, it's basically like the whole like my whole thing. And I was like, oh, that's weird or crazy. Why do I keep on doing that? And it's because, I was at seven and at three on stage doing Babes in Toyland, at seven, preaching at the church as a seven year old, like, so that's always been my gift.

00:48:42:04 - 00:49:03:23
Unknown
So I can get on stage and not be afraid. why not give that gift to other people? And that's really about developing the character called you. But it's really you, right? So that's what I'm excited about. It's just bringing that back into the world. And and then the other thing that I, the community building is a lot of work.

00:49:04:00 - 00:49:44:10
Unknown
and the last thing I'll say is that one thing I need is everyone in the blast radius of my voice to really come out and start creating content and invite me on your content. I'll be your first guest, I'll be there and whatever it is like, if you're creative and and it's really not about the business model, it's really that we need to all collectively spread the message that level two of the video game is that we become founders and we create better companies for the world, and that we thrive not as service providers, not as like, let me lend my talent to like, this corporation or this startup or even this nonprofit.

00:49:44:12 - 00:50:04:14
Unknown
But like we can, we can and we will create a new future because that's who we are, right? I don't care if you're an actor and musician or creative and like, what does everybody makeshift for in the industrial paradigm that is our world, so that they can afford to have a really good life and a good life. That's good music, good food.

00:50:04:16 - 00:50:38:18
Unknown
You know, all the humanities are really the good life, but we basically put that aside to focus on making money so that we can have those things. Yeah, but what if we make those things our day to day, right? What if we live in this new world where we're sharing resources, where joy and happiness is the norm, where your neighbor and you are like playing the guitar in the backyard and you don't have this fear of like, and this division that's been created, you know, I, I go to South Carolina to visit my brother and pull on Trump country and shoot guns with him.

00:50:38:18 - 00:51:06:23
Unknown
Right. And he voted for Trump. But he's my brother. and so what that that he lives in a fundamentalist Christian bubble and like and it's like said, we're brothers. Right. And then here's this weird California weird brother but his whose kids love and like, you know, so all these divisions that have been created, a black, white, gay, straight, Republican, Democrat, Swedish, you know, whatever.

00:51:07:00 - 00:51:32:14
Unknown
are all artificial. And it's all because the algorithms and media has done it. And we know this because we feel it. We just feel it. And it's time and it's our jobs to really begin taking ownership of switching that and driving the narrative towards love, towards peace, towards unity. Because again, we are the system. Yes, we have power.

00:51:32:20 - 00:51:54:08
Unknown
Look at the power that we have right here, right now of coming together to broadcast. That's that's the big the big. secret. And that requires us to come out to be powerful, to feel it, to like just let go, to be uncorked. So my invitation is get the fuck uncorked and start doing it. Milk. start doing it Isabel.

00:51:54:08 - 00:52:13:22
Unknown
Start doing it. Rob Bryan. You know all of us. Get figure out what you're philosophy is. What your religion, your shit, all the pain you're going to is your kid. Everyone you know, the platform is like, put out your shit and your shit might be like, oh, I want to do breathwork, or your shit might be, let's do a meditation course or whatever it is.

00:52:13:24 - 00:52:41:01
Unknown
Let's help each other and do it. And guess what? You have 1000 hours and ten of them give you $100. Great. You know that pays for whatever it is. And that's where we're going. Welcome to Burning Man, motherfuckers, because that's what happens there. That's the point. The world is becoming a festival. Oh, I love it. Okay. That is a perfect place for us to stop and move into Q&A.

00:52:41:03 - 00:53:16:16
Unknown
I saw earlier, Anna Lee asked. She wants to know your human design and my human design? mine. And who is Alice? No. Your host here. Oh, do you have it? I don't have yours. I have not been. Actually, start with you. I'm a manifesting generator. and, here, I'll just open it. I don't know if I can share my screen, but, the time is right.

00:53:16:18 - 00:53:39:23
Unknown
I'm a manifesting generator, and I'm A13. which means that I'm an investigative martyr, which is, overstatement, but it means that I like to explore and that I only learn from doing it. So it looks like I'm bumping my head and, like, really being in a lot of pain. but, if I don't do it, I can't, like, learn it.

00:53:40:03 - 00:53:56:01
Unknown
So one of the reasons why for me, like, even in all the stuff that I teach, I have to really, like, do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Right. So doing Quora myself over and over and over and over again. And I'm like, now I can do it right.

00:53:56:03 - 00:54:18:04
Unknown
And I've had coaches and therapists and all these things. My judgment is always like, well, why should I be a coach? Like, I don't know, I'm not certified to do a coach. And then I use collage like I use everything human design, astrology, the efeito, but tarot cards, whatever, right? Tools, I use them. But then I realize just prioritize and narrow them.

00:54:18:06 - 00:54:37:17
Unknown
and and just put it out as an experiment. That's why when I say this is an experiment, it's giving myself permission to do the stuff without, you know, so the two big things about my human design, not unlike an allie, probably because I've seen hers. I might have it here is that my head centers are undefined, right.

00:54:37:20 - 00:54:55:00
Unknown
So I'm not just certain. I'm just like, okay or not, I don't know. So I live in this uncertainty, and then I listen to other people around me and that makes me feel like I'm garbled, right? Like I'm going in all these different directions. So what I began to learn is just listen to understand their point of view.

00:54:55:02 - 00:55:19:12
Unknown
But it's their point of view. It's not my don't take ownership of anybody what anybody says to me. Just do what I want to do. That's, that's the thing that, that, that, that and that I'm defined in my, in my I call it my core, but it's really your your, your base, right? Your your that the the but what's that chakra called?

00:55:19:14 - 00:55:46:21
Unknown
The root. Chakra. The root. Thank you. My root. My root is very defined. My root is very defined. And and my but my willpower, my, my. The whole part about making money is not so. I never really like I. I always do things not out of, the money, even though it might come across because I overcompensate with it being about like, okay, sustainability, sustainability, sustainability.

00:55:46:23 - 00:56:08:23
Unknown
I'm also a Taurus. So I'm, I'm using the human design, but also my understanding of my astrology and my placements. I'll give you an example. Okay. My Venus is in Gemini, which means that my love language is language. So I talk a lot and I connect and I can go deep on an airplane. I can go deep anywhere.

00:56:09:02 - 00:56:35:04
Unknown
So knowing that makes me like, oh, okay, that's my that's my jam. I'm looking here through all my human design and all of it is like. The recognition that money is in everything. It's one of my channel skate 14. The recognition that wealth has its own problems. The who ask for lucre tempered by high or principles. The key to manifest in power is higher principles.

00:56:35:06 - 00:56:55:09
Unknown
Because your essence is your values. The delusion that if you can throw money, have problems, energy alone can never be the key. That's my mercury in Pisces. So so that even that knowing that I'm a, That's what I've been looking for. I've been looking because I wanted success. But then I got it, and then I had the ability to try it out.

00:56:55:09 - 00:57:13:08
Unknown
And everybody else, we got success. They're all unhappy and like, you know, depressed and trying to figure it out with, you know, plant medicines and all this stuff. Oh, at the other side of success is the reality that that was really never what you were looking for. You just wanted your little boy, your little girl. Right. Happy. Yeah.

00:57:13:08 - 00:57:43:09
Unknown
And you could have done that by just doing that work. So. So my people and who I'm ministering to now are powerful creatives who have succeeded in their creative endeavors and need help going to that place. And that's actually me too. Core has been extremely successful for the future, really succeeded. And the other side of that success is the loneliness of knowing that what I was looking for was simply being able to play, you know, being able to have a better relationship with Cristo.

00:57:43:13 - 00:58:06:15
Unknown
You know, it was just the kids that want to play, right? That is the thing that we're looking for is not the success or the money. So just do community, do connection, do authenticity. Now that will drive success. And no matter how much money you make or how little money you make, you'll be happy, right? Oh, that's that's all from my human design.

00:58:06:17 - 00:58:33:09
Unknown
I love it, I love it. Okay. And Annalee, for you, I'm going to keep this super brief because I don't want to focus to be on me too much. I'm a generator. I'm A51. That means I'm, an investigator, and I'm also a heretic, which means. Which means that, a lot of people project onto me, and I have a mission of knowing myself really deeply.

00:58:33:11 - 00:58:52:15
Unknown
it's a difficult path with a cross of an alpha, which means I'm supposed to be a leader, but I am not stepping into a leadership role. So there's all kinds of stuff. But check out your own personal human design if you haven't done it. It's super fascinating. And like I said, we'll make sure we include a link.

00:58:52:17 - 00:59:22:13
Unknown
they can say we've got rockets on a screen. we'll make sure we include a link at the bottom of the podcast once this goes live. So you can do your own human design. It's it's been really helpful. Okay. And, Oh, the system, we have a whole channel dedicated to human design. People will post it. And by the time this podcast is out, there'll be a link for myself, and Robina to do your human design as a just on its own.

00:59:22:15 - 00:59:45:00
Unknown
Just on its own. while we're here, can you share a little bit about Rubina for everybody? Yeah. Rubina is, the navigator of sorts of the system space station. I met Rubina at an art center event about two years ago, a year and a half ago, and we started talking about human design and, astrology, and she's a Gemini, so.

00:59:45:00 - 01:00:06:04
Unknown
And I'm a Gemini and Venus, so we're like, okay, I put a pin on that, and I went back to Mexico. And then, about two months, three months ago, I came back to L.A. to continue my study into human design. And and to develop programing with her. so the first program that we're developing is a breathwork course.

01:00:06:10 - 01:00:33:00
Unknown
The reason for that is because breathwork, it's powerful no matter which way. But for me, specifically, the connection between the emotions and, and the body completely unlocks, which could be disturbing. It could be like, I'm like, I go into fear or I go into abandonment. I can actually feel that past, but by letting it out and letting it through, like at the other side, all the barnacles get removed.

01:00:33:02 - 01:00:57:04
Unknown
Like, you know, letting go of limiting beliefs, letting go of like, whatever those the first step is getting rid of the trauma, the limiting beliefs that I'm not enough. Right? And that all happens through something like breathwork without cycle, without, you know, psychedelics or without, you know, too much wine, right? Because that's what we're doing when we're when we're taking, like, you know, any substances we're trying to, like, get rid of the pain.

01:00:57:06 - 01:01:37:03
Unknown
Right? Yeah. To be our true self. But what if you could do it with breathwork, right. and if you look at it from a workplace standpoint, you know, mindfulness and breathwork and all those things are already much more accepted. So if you look at it, go to the system.com/inner design or just the main page, you're going to see us, me, me, Rubina and I really emphasizing that because I want for every single person here, every single person listening to this podcast, to have that experience of feeling their true self simply from the practices they can get you there that don't require, you know, a huge investment.

01:01:37:06 - 01:01:53:09
Unknown
You don't have to take six years and travel the world and go to India, you know, like I'm here to share with you the things that I discovered and I learned. And that's right. For the first time I did breathwork was in India. And after doing it, I was just like, Holy cool. Like, how can I share this with more people?

01:01:53:14 - 01:02:25:04
Unknown
And then when I met Rubina, I'm like, okay, here we are. And that was it. So I'm sharing her gifts because those are the things that I've been doing for myself. And I want to share for everyone else in the community, for you right now, for every single person, you know, spend three days Friday, Saturday, Sunday, two hours each day doing the practices, learning them, practicing together, you know that that feels to hang out with the people you love and like, practice transformative kind of stuff.

01:02:25:06 - 01:02:45:00
Unknown
And share and go into some rooms. And we did an experiment recently where we did a session and we had to draw before and then draw after to see the difference between what it felt like before and breathwork and afterwards and afterwards you were just like, wow, like you're channeling the Holy Spirit basically bringing the house down.

01:02:45:00 - 01:03:02:20
Unknown
Jesus for sure was a Yogi. Like, that's what I try to tell my Christian family in the South. Or like, just like, you know what? You guys are all like, Jesus was the Yogi. He was teaching that stuff at weddings or, I don't know, giving the mushrooms. I don't know what he was doing at weddings, but he was doing it anyway.

01:03:02:22 - 01:03:30:03
Unknown
I love that. Love it. Oh my God. Okay, so if anybody else has any questions, if you would like to speak to Jose at this point directly, you're welcome to turn your camera on. Or if you're shy, you can leave it in the chat. We have about ten minutes left, so now is your chance. I just wait just a second and I'm going to make sure I didn't miss any questions.

01:03:30:05 - 01:04:04:01
Unknown
Let's see. Oh, I do have one. So our dear friend, Darren has joined us. thank you so much for showing up. He says, this is so important, pushing through to connect with people even though they have different ideas. Understanding is so important. Beautiful. Super true. I've struggled with that. I've been so afraid to come out to my community and to my because my family is so Christian and like I felt shame.

01:04:04:03 - 01:04:29:10
Unknown
I felt deep shame with the fact that I've gone in this route and this whole process of coming out as non-denominational woman, has been a difficult one for me. More difficult than as anything else, believe it or not. Why was it more difficult? Oh, because you're going to burn in hell if you believe in astrology and to tarot and all that kind of stuff.

01:04:29:12 - 01:04:56:11
Unknown
All right. Okay, that makes perfect sense. I have a question here from Malka Jose. Where are you residing now? I am in LA for the next, probably couple of months. but I haven't made a choice. There's a talk about Mexico City. Well, that's that's that's what I'm feeling intuitively. I've been in Mexico for a couple of years.

01:04:56:13 - 01:05:20:00
Unknown
so I've been nomad for a bit. I love Mexico, but I'm in L.A.. I'm in L.A. For for for that short term. So catch me while you can. All right. Well, that's it for all the questions I have, I want to thank everybody for joining today and being so flexible with the link. you can reach out to Jose.

01:05:20:03 - 01:05:46:04
Unknown
He is on Instagram and threads quite a bit. oh, and Anna Lee says she heard something about Stockholm. don't tempt me, girl. Don't make me show up to Stockholm. Oh my God. So if people want to find you on Instagram or in threads, how can they find you? Her say it's at home. That guy. Yeah. my last name, California baller Cavalier.

01:05:46:05 - 01:06:02:11
Unknown
Thank you. How are you? Thank you everybody so much. This call is being recorded, so we'll have this out soon. Thank you so much for joining us. And, thank you, Jose. It's been an honor. Thank you.